New Persuasive Words



New Persuasive Words started as two guys talking about life with what we thought (hoped?) was wit and insight, on our good days anyway. Then...a podcast.


  • Episode 288: To Be Free Or Not To Be

    19/02/2020 Duration: 40min

    We continue talking about the romance of Christian orthodoxy by looking at some of the ideas and figures that challenged it. This episode deals with one of Augustine's most famous opponents: Pelagius. They debated the nature of original sin and the capacity of human beings to choose the ultimate good, God.

  • Episode 287: American Paganism

    12/02/2020 Duration: 38min

    In this episode, our first one in the "new bunker", we discuss an article from Commonweal Magazine. In it David Albertson, a religion professor at USC, argues that many conservative intellectuals justify supporting Trump in the name of defending Christianity and fighting a new kind of American paganism. But what is paganism? What if it's not what we think it is? You can find the article here:

  • Episode 286: Infinite Love?

    31/01/2020 Duration: 29min

    In this episode, joined by our friend Adam Morton, we discuss a controversial tweet that Tim Keller posted about the Trinity and the Cross. You can find the tweet and a host of replies and comments to it here: Special Guest: Adam Morton.

  • Episode 285: The Two Popes

    30/01/2020 Duration: 28min

    In this episode we talk about the recently released Netflix film The Two Popes.

  • Episode 284: Merry Christmas

    24/12/2019 Duration: 31min

    This is our annual Christmas episode. Have a great holiday!

  • Episode 283: Iconoclasm

    07/12/2019 Duration: 48min

    In this episode, joined by Matthew Milliner, we talk about iconoclasm. The Iconoclastic Controversy, was a dispute over the use of religious images (icons) in the Byzantine Empire in the 8th and 9th centuries. The Iconoclasts (those who rejected images) objected to icon veneration for several reasons, including the Old Testament prohibition against images in the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:4) and the possibility of idolatry. The defenders of the use of icons insisted on the symbolic nature of images and on the dignity of created matter. You can download Matt Milliner's review essay "Everything you know about Byzantine art is wrong" here. ( Special Guest: Matt Milliner.

  • Episode 282: Fully Human, Fully Divine

    29/11/2019 Duration: 42min

    We continue our "Romance of Orthodoxy" series. We've been considering the development of Christian orthodoxy and some of the major challenges and debates that helped formulate the heart of the Christian faith. In this episode we consider the Fourth Century controversies that led to the Chalcedonian Council, which declared that Christ had two natures in one person, and the relationship between the natures.

  • Episode 281: Arianism

    14/11/2019 Duration: 35min

    In this episode we continue talking about the Romance of Christian Orthodoxy, considering what many consider to be the grandest heresy of them all: Arianism.

  • Episode 280: No Gnosis is Good Gnosis...

    23/10/2019 Duration: 36min

    In this episode we continue our series on the Romance of Orthodoxy. We consider the heresy that seems to have perennial appeal in Christian history: Gnosticism.

  • Episode 279: Modalism: The Clark Kent/Superman Trinity

    22/10/2019 Duration: 32min

    Continuing our series about the Romance of Orthodoxy, we consider the modalist heresy, which holds that Father, Son, and Spirit are really not persons but more like masks or roles God puts on in relationship to the world.

  • Episode 278: Marcion, Thor and YHWH

    17/10/2019 Duration: 41min

    In this episode we continue to talk about the Romance of Orthodoxy. We talk about Marcionism, a heresy that claims the God of the Hebrew Bible is fundamentally different than the God revealed in Jesus Christ. We find a surprising modern example of the position in renowned theologian David Bentley Hart. We consider a recent exchange he had with First Things contributor Peter Leithart.

  • Episode 277: Docetism

    30/09/2019 Duration: 36min

    Continuing our series on the Romance of Orthodoxy, we discuss the "docetic" heresy, which claims that Jesus Christ was divine, but not really human.

  • Episode 276: Jesus, Judaism and the Early Church

    24/09/2019 Duration: 31min

    Continuing our discussion of the romance of orthodoxy, we consider controversies in the history of the church. In this episode we discuss the early church's struggle with the role of Torah observance and the inclusion of Gentiles. We reference an atonement chart put together by Brad East. You can find it here (

  • Episode 275: The Romance of Orthodoxy

    10/09/2019 Duration: 36min

    Fresh off of our summer vacations, we talk about how Christian orthodoxy has romanced us both and continues to do so. We reference two podcast interviews in this episode. You can find them below.

  • Episode 274: Summer Potpourri

    16/08/2019 Duration: 38min

    We're both looking toward summer vacation! In this episode we mix it up, like the Jeoprady Potpourri category. You never know what's coming next.

  • Episode 273: Guns, God and White Supremacism

    07/08/2019 Duration: 32min

    In this episode we talk about the recent mass shootings in Texas and Ohio and how to face what they tell us about ourselves as Americans.

  • Episode 272: Kissing The Faith Goodbye

    31/07/2019 Duration: 39min

    In this episode we talk about renowned former megachurch pastor Josh Harris's announcement that he has left the Christian faith.

  • Episode 271: Us, Them, Trump, and The Squad

    24/07/2019 Duration: 29min

    In this episode, inspired in part by David Fitch's new book, we talk about the recent inflammatory statements President Trump made about four women of color in the House of Representatives.

  • Episode 270: Apocalypse Now?

    11/07/2019 Duration: 31min

    Many are troubled by evangelical love affair with President Trump. Sometimes people talk like it means that the sky is falling or that the end is near. Is this overstated? Might historical perspective teach us a thing or two in this cultural moment?

  • Episode 269: The Gift of Wonder, with Christine Sine

    20/06/2019 Duration: 40min

    In this episode we talk with a special guest, Christine Sine. Her new book is entitled The Gift of Wonder: Creative Practices For Delighting In God ( Can you imagine a God who dances with shouts of joy, laughs when you laugh, loves to play, enjoys life, and invites us to join the fun? Like many of us, Christine Sine had spent many years with an image of God who was "a very serious, workaholic type of God." And even when her theology told her this was not true, she struggled to live into this new way of thinking. What she needed was a childlike spirituality. In this book, Christine Sine, online host of the Godspace community, invites us to pay attention to childlike characteristics that have the power to reshape us. Each chapter addresses a childlike characteristic to embrace, including delight, playfulness, imagination, awe and wonder, love of nature, the ability t

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