Dialogue Lab

This week, I speak with Sarai Johnson, a speaker, coach, author and founder of Lean Nonprofit. When I first encountered Sarai, it was through a blog post she’d written about how nonprofits and foundations often unwittingly use management and funding practices that perpetuate the very culture of poverty and oppression they are fighting against. Sounds like serious stuff, but what I so appreciate about Sarai is her ability to tell it like it is with humor and empathy. Empathy that comes from the fact that she’s been there too. We talked a lot about about how nonprofit work can feel like a grind. And we also talked some things we can all do to do better. I distill the top 3 lessons for social impact leadership from every interview I do in an email I send to my Lessons from the Lab subscribers. For instance, the week after this episode comes out, I’ll be sharing an email based on my conversation with Sarai that delves more deeply into the topic of overwork in the nonprofit space. I’ll be unpacking what mindsets f