Geripal-podcast

Do we need an RCT to establish the worth of chaplaincy? Einstein once said, “Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted.” A friend of GeriPal, and prior guest, Guy Micco commented today that we need an RCT for chaplaincy is like the idea that the humanities need to justify their value in medical training: “It’s like being told to measure the taste of orange juice with a ruler.” On the other hand, all of our guests agree that chaplains are often the most vulnerable to being cut from hospital and health system budgets.  These studies are important. Today we have a star-studded lineup, including Lexy Torke of Indiana University, who discusses her RCT of a chaplaincy intervention for surrogates of patients in the ICU, published in JPSM and plenary presentation at AAHPM/HPNA.  To provide context, we are joined by Karen Steinhauser, a social scientist at Duke who has been studying spirituality for years (and published one of the most cited papers