Holy Heretics

This episode is part 2 of Scott and Jon's talk with Mike Morrell who is the co-author of "The Divine Dance" with Richard Rohr. In this episode, Mike discusses more concepts from the book, including how understanding God as Trinity is a threat to political and religious establishments. Scott, Jon, and Mike also discuss how understanding God as Trinity enables people to be more inclusive, compassionate, and loving to others.   NEXT WEEK: EPISODE 20 - "WHAT IS THE BIBLE" with special guest - ROB BELL   CONNECT WITH MIKE MORRELL Twitter: @realmikemorrell Instagram: @zoecarnate Web site: www.mikemorrell.org Presence: www.presence.tv ***Visit www.mikemorrell.org and get an exclusive, downloadable bonus chapter to "The Divine Dance."***    PURCHASE MIKE'S BOOK: "THE DIVINE DANCE" "The Divine Dance" on Amazon   DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics   2017 WILDGOOSE FESTIVAL The Holy Heretics will be at the 2017 WildGoose Festival and podcasting LIVE on-stage. Want to be there? Visit: www.wildgoosefestival.org for tic

Mike Morrell, co-author of "The Divine Dance" with Richard Rohr, chats with Scott and Jon this week to discuss his book and an often misunderstood idea: God as Trinity. Mike shares a bit of his diverse church background and how it all led him to the search for something more and ultimately writing this book with Richard Rohr. In part one, Mike discusses how the evangelical view of God is still largely pagan and the real-life implications for having such a view of God that's single instead of Trinity.   CONNECT WITH MIKE MORRELL Twitter: @realmikemorrell Instagram: @zoecarnate Web site: www.mikemorrell.org Presence: www.presence.tv ***Visit mikemorrell.org and get an exclusive, downloadable bonus chapter to "The Divine Dance."***    PURCHASE MIKE'S BOOK: "THE DIVINE DANCE" "The Divine Dance" on Amazon   DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics   2017 WILDGOOSE FESTIVAL The Holy Heretics will be at the 2017 WildGoose Festival and podcasting LIVE on-stage. Want to be there? Visit: www.wildgoosefestival.org for tick

In this episode, Scott and Jon respond to tough questions from listeners. Questions include: - Can salvation be lost? - What is the Christ Consciousness? - What do we do with the Bible if we accept that it is not inerrant? With their usual humor and insight, Scott and Jon seek not to objectively answer the questions but to simply give their own subjective responses with the hope of helping those who listen to continue to navigate their spiritual journey.   SNEAK PEEK AT MAY EPISODE SCHEDULE: May 2 | Mike Morrell: The Divine Dance (part 1) May 9 | Mike Morrell: The Divine Dance (part 2) May 16 | Rob Bell: What is the Bible? May 23 | Dr. AJ Levine: The Jewish Jesus May 30 | Peter Rollins: The End of Meaning   BUY A HOLY HERETICS T-SHIRT - APRIL ONLY LIMITED RELEASE www.booster.com/holyheretics   WIN AN AUTOGRAPHED COPY OF ROB BELL'S BOOK, "HOW TO BE HERE" Enter the drawing by star-rating and writing a review in iTunes. Screenshot it and then email it to theholyheretics@gmail.com Winner will be announced on May

Science Mike McHargue sits down with Scott and Jon to talk life after evangelicalism. In this conversational episode, Mike shares about his experience once he departed from the evangelical church and what his relationships looked like in the aftermath. Mike discusses how to set healthy boundaries in relationships with people who seem to have an agenda to bring you back to the evangelical church, or even just want to tell you that you are wrong and hell-bound. This conversation with Science Mike is full of wisdom and hope for those who have left the evangelical church, or even those who are considering leaving. And for fun, Scott, Jon, and Mike talk a little bit about how to approach the Bible near the end of the conversation.   CONNECT WITH SCIENCE MIKE MCHARGUE Twitter: @mikemchargue Instagram: @mikemchargue Web site: www.mikemchargue.com   LISTEN TO SCIENCE MIKE MCHARGUE Checkout the Liturgists podcast (co-hosted with Michael Gungor) and the Ask Science Mike podcast.   BUY SCIENCE MIKE'S BOOK "Finding God i

In this episode, Scott and Jon discuss many traditional ideas about Easter, including: decorative crosses, crucifixion imagery, penal substitutionary atonement theology, literal resurrection, and more. For many, these traditional ideas and notions of Easter just don't seem to work anymore. Scott and Jon discuss these traditional ideas while searching for deeper meaning and offering a few alternative theological perspectives.   BUY A HOLY HERETICS T-SHIRT - APRIL ONLY LIMITED RELEASE www.booster.com/holyheretics WIN AN AUTOGRAPHED COPY OF ROB BELL'S BOOK, "HOW TO BE HERE" Enter the drawing by star-rating and writing a review in iTunes. Screenshot it and then email it to theholyheretics@gmail.com Winner will be announced on May 9, 2017 during episode 19.   DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics FOLLOW THE HOLY HERETICS... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com DON'T FORGET... Rate, Review, and Subscribe!   Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Inclusion, Oneness, Chri

This episode, Scott and Jon talk with Jay Bakker. Jay is the pastor of Revolution Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota, which Jay calls unorganized religion. Jay's movement toward nontraditional ministry was born out of brokenness and woundedness. Jay is the son of Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Faye Bakker Messner who were popular televangelists in the 1980's and built the evangelical empire known as PTL. That empire ultimately crumbled amidst scandal while Jay was just a young boy. This experience led him to become a radically inclusive minster of reconciliation and the love of God for all people. However, wounds run deep and in this episode, Jay talks about his battle with depression and his journey through the dark night of the soul.   CONNECT WITH JAY BAKKER Twitter and Instagram: @JayBakker Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Jay.Bakker.Friends/ Website: www.revolutionchurch.com BOOK OFFERINGS FROM JAY BAKKER https://www.amazon.com/Jay-Bakker/e/B001HD02QQ   BUY A HOLY HERETICS T-SHIRT - APRIL ONLY LIMITED RE

Tithing is often preached in the Evangelical Church as a mandate for Christians, but is that the truth? Although Scott and Jon are both ordained ministers, neither are employed by the American Church. So, buckle up, because they are going to talk about tithing in a way that you will most likely never hear preached on a Sunday morning. In this episode, Scott and Jon discuss a lot of questions that many people have about tithing and, most importantly, whether or not it is actually a mandate for Christians today. Spoiler Alert: Episode contains much sarcasm, honesty, heresy and even some tears. DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics FOLLOW THE HOLY HERETICS... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com DON'T FORGET... Rate, Review, and Subscribe!   Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Inclusion, Oneness, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church, Divine, Pastor, Bible, Tithing, Tithe, Offerings, Giving

This episode is the final installment of Scott and Jon's talk with the Pastor of the Resistance Movement, John Pavlovitz. The American Evangelical Church is dying. Many who are disenfranchised with the American Evangelical Church seem to be joining together to give birth to a new Church that represents more of the inclusive, love-filled Jesus message. There is also a lot of hostility right now largely due to the Evangelical Church's support of Trump. John shares his wisdom on these issues and how those who denounce Trump can still have love for all people while resisting and forging a new path. Read below to discover how to connect with and support John Pavlovitz and also how to pre-order his new book, A Bigger Table. - PRE-ORDER JOHN PAVLOVITZ'S NEW BOOK - A BIGGER TABLE A Bigger Table via AMAZON ONLINE   - CONNECT WITH JOHN PAVLOVITZ Social Media www.twitter.com/johnpavlovitz www.facebook.com/johnpavlovitzofficial Blog www.johnpavlovitz.com (Stuff That Needs To Be Said)   - SUPPORT JOHN PAVLOVITZ www.patre

In this much anticipated episode, Scott and Jon talk with the Pastor of the Resistance Movement, John Pavlovitz. In part one of this series, John Pavlovitz tells his story of once being employed as an evangelical pastor, but was terminated from that position because he "did not fit." Although painful and disorienting at the time, John's termination paved the way for him to speak passionately and unapologetically about numerous issues including: politics, LGBTQ equality, toxic evangelicalism, and the Jesus message. John Pavlovitz and the Holy Heretics not only discuss all of these topics, but also how the White Evangelical-American Church could overwhelmingly elect a President that seems to be the antithesis of all things Christ-like. It seems as though the American Church is dying and possibly on the brink of a rebirth; becoming a Church that is more representative of the inclusive, love-filled Jesus message. John Pavlovitz and the Holy Heretics discuss all of this and more. Read below to discover how to conn

For many years, American Evangelicalism has proposed the idea that there's an individual plan from God for each one of us. The American Evangelical Church has preached this message with great certainty. But what about the sufferings of life? Is that God's plan? What's the context of the often quoted passage of Jeremiah 29:11? Has this passage largely been misunderstood and misinterpreted? Is there a better way to understand the wisdom of the text and give us a new framework for understanding a Divine plan? Scott and Jon discuss all this and more. DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics FOLLOW THE HOLY HERETICS... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com DON'T FORGET... Rate, Review, and Subscribe!   Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Inclusion, Oneness, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church, Divine, Pastor, Bible

This week we are talking racism, religion, politics, and black history month with Rev. Omer Reid. Rev. Reid is a former local-chapter NAACP leader, mental health chaplain, and is also a long-time pastor. Rev. Reid grew up in a small southern town and experienced the cruelty of racism early in life, including a cross being burned on his front lawn. He shares his story with Scott and Jon, and provides wisdom and insight into all of the aforementioned topics from his unique perspective. DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics FOLLOW THE HOLY HERETICS... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com DON'T FORGET... Rate, Review, and Subscribe!     Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Inclusion, Oneness, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church, Politics, Racism, Trump

In this episode, Scott and Jon tackle the topic of Church Hurt. Many have been hurt in the context of church. Some have healed and moved on, but others are still wrestling with the emotional fallout. Scott and Jon discuss how the idea of certainty within church culture actually creates a false environment of safety, which makes church hurt wounds run deeper than most. Church hurt can either make you bitter or better, and Scott and Jon discuss the path of healing for these wounds. If you've been hurt by the Church, this episode is for you.   DONATE www.patreon.com/holyheretics FOLLOW THE HOLY HERETICS... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com DON'T FORGET... Rate, Review, and Subscribe!     Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Inclusion, Oneness, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church, Certainty

This episode is part 2 of the interview with Bishop Carlton Pearson and Rev D.E. Paulk. Topics on the table include theology, toxic evangelicalism, inclusion, oneness, Carlton's movie and even a bit about Trump. Enjoy! Carlton was mentored by world-renowned tele-evangelist, the late Oral Roberts. Carlton was a mega-church pastor in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but lost it all when he began to preach that there is no literal eternal-torture chamber called hell and beyond that, began preaching about the inclusive love of God. These personal beliefs that Carlton spoke of publicly set in a motion a chain of events that ultimately led to him being excommunicated by his denomination and officially branded a heretic. Carlton has since been an advocate and agent for peace and inclusion as he has spoken on numerous media outlets including: NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, BET, etc. Carlton has authored numerous books (see below) and a movie about his story is currently in production entitled "Come Sunday." The lead role of Carlton is played b

This episode features two of the most inclusive voices in spirituality today - Bishop Carlton Pearson and Rev. D.E. Paulk. They chat with Scott and Jon about theology and many other things including Carlton's upcoming movie called "Come Sunday."  Carlton was mentored by world-renowned tele-evangelist, the late Oral Roberts. Carlton was a mega-church pastor in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but lost it all when he began to preach that there is no literal eternal-torture chamber called hell and beyond that, began preaching about the inclusive love of God. These personal beliefs that Carlton spoke of publicly set in a motion a chain of events that ultimately led to him being excommunicated by his denomination and officially branded a heretic. Carlton has since been an advocate and agent for peace and inclusion as he has spoken on numerous media outlets including: NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, BET, etc. Carlton has authored numerous books (see below) and a movie about his story is currently in production entitled "Come Sunday." The lead

Episode 5 is the conclusion of Jon's story and the conclusion of our Breaking Church series. In this episode, Jon discusses pastoring in the evangelical church setting, and how he almost hit it big in the contemporary christian music scene with the group, Newsong. Jon also tells of his departure from pastoring in the evangelical church setting and how he came to understand that God's love is much more inclusive than he ever thought. Subscribe so you don't miss any of the great episodes we have lined up for February. Our first two episodes in February feature Bishop Carlton Pearson who was a heretic before being a heretic was cool. (www.bishoppearson.com). Follow us... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church

Episode 4 features one of the Holy Heretics, Jon, telling his story of growing up in the Evangelical Church and the South. Entrenched in a deeply conservative religious family who performed regularly in the Southern Gospel Music scene, Jon was no stranger to the spotlight of Evangelicalism. With raw honesty, humor, and candor, Jon and Scott discuss how Jon's family conflicts and personal faith journey ultimately took Jon on a different spiritual path.  Follow us... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church

The Holy Heretics drop a special episode to discuss the inauguration of Trump. In this raw and unedited special episode, Scott and Jon compare and contrast the Jesus message with the Evangelical Church as it relates to Trump. They also discuss how the Evangelical Church helped Trump win the Presidency even though he campaigned on a platform of exclusion, bigotry, racism, and fear (among other things) which clearly runs counter to the Jesus message. Even still, Jon and Scott believe that there's hope for the future and that hope is found in the Divinity that lies within us all. Follow us... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church, Politics, Inauguration, Trump

Episode 2 is the final installment of Scott's story. Scott discusses his six years working in the Evangelical Church setting and how his thinking began to change through his lived experience. Eventually, Scott came to a place of such holy discontent that he left paid, professional pastoring for the unknown, mystery-filled walk of faith.  Follow us... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry, Church

Episode 1 features one of the Holy Heretics, Scott, telling his story of growing up in the South and the Evangelical Church. With humor, honesty, and a bit of sarcasm, Scott reflects on the evangelical values that were instilled in him at a very young age. Scott also discusses how growing up in such a Jesus-charged environment set the stage for an inner desire (or "calling") to be in evangelical pastoral ministry, which he later left.  Follow us... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com Tags: Religion, Spirituality, Theology, Christianity, Evangelicalism, God, Pastoral Ministry

We are two guys who pastored in the Evangelical Church and then departed. In the Deep South nonetheless! We love the Jesus story, but our experiences (reconciled with our theology and tradition) have put us on a new path. We actually think the Christ is bigger than just one religion. We believe that many, especially those within Western Evangelical Christianity, are also forging a new path and a new way of seeing as well. Come join us on this journey! You are not alone! Follow us... Twitter: @HolyHeretics Instagram: @theholyheretics Email: theholyheretics@gmail.com