And Introducing

We welcomed Maria Sherman back to the pod, this time not to talk about Calvin Johnson and his merry band of yogurt-drum twee dreamers, but to talk about THE HISTORY OF BOY BANDS — as detailed in Maria's book Larger Than Life: A History of Boy Bands from NKOTB to BTS. From shady '80s managers screwing New Edition out of their hard-earned dough, to the secret hidden original member of *NYSYNC that Molly didn't know existed, to the fruitful fanfiction culture of One Direction, we got into a bunch of things that happened when you put a bunch of cute boys in a room together and had them sing and dance. Buy Maria's book here: https://www.blackdogandleventhal.com/titles/maria-sherman/larger-than-life/9780762468904/ Songs played: "What Makes You Beautiful (8-Bit Remix) - 8BitUzz "I Want To Hold Your Hand" - the Beatles "Candy Girl" - New Edition "You Got It (The Right Stuff)" - New Kids On The Block "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)" - Backstreet Boys "Bye Bye Bye" - *NSYNC "Back Here" - BBMak "Burnin' Up" - Jonas Bro

And Introducing...Psychic Dairy! On this bonus episode of And Introducing, Molly chatted with Sebastian Keim and Ben Green, two of the five poets who joined forces to create a book of poems inspired by everyone's favorite genre-freak troubadour Beck, called, appropriately, Beck Poems, as the first release of their Brisbane-based indie press Psychic Dairy. They talked about humor in music, reading poems aloud vs. on the page, and the "gentle prodding" that is the lingua franca of getting your friends to collaborate on creative experiences. Did I use the phrase "lingua franca" correctly? Seemed like a literary thing to do. You can enjoy Beck Poems by ordering it from Psychic Dairy here: https://psychicdairy.com.au/Beck-Poems SONGS IN ORDER Beck - Loser Beck - Satan Gave Me a Taco Beck - Asshole Beck - Pink Noise (Rock Me Amadeus) Beck - Cold Brains Beck - The Golden Age Beck - Where It's At Beck - Pay No Mind (Snoozer) Beck - Cyanide Breath Mint

And introducing, in therapy, it’s Metallica: Some Kind of Monster! For our 100th EPISODE we’ve decided to return to our roots in HARD ROCK, but instead of looking at it’s decadent heights, examining it at it’s most grinding, tedious, bureaucratic lows. We’re talking about the fantastic 2004 documentary Metallica: Some Kind of Monster, following the heavy metal goliaths as they drift aimlessly, tensions high, missing a member, recording an album no one’s interested in - including themselves - and most hilariously in FULL BAND therapy. And through it, finding one of the most fascinating and intimate portrayals of a rock band ever made. SONGS Metallica - Seek & Destroy Metallica - Frantic Metallica - St. Anger

And Introducing...Andrew Low! The lead singer and guitarist for the fundamental Pennsylvania emo band The Jazz June, Andrew joined Molly for a very special solo episode, aka one where no books were read but music was certainly discussed. Topics of conversation include embracing vs. rejecting the emo label, playing DIY shows in the late '90s, and rock bands getting "Mountain Dew money." Andrew is making new music in the band Post-Skeleton whose Bandcamp you can check out here: https://postskeleton.bandcamp.com/releases SONGS IN ORDER The Jazz June - The Phone Works Both Ways The Jazz June - Rich Kid Shakedown The Jazz June - Antiquated The Jazz June - The Scars to Prove It The Jazz June - Nicaragua The Jazz June - Over Underground Post-Skeleton - The Loudest

AND introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We’re joined by the Michael Azerrad, the author of Our Band Could Be Your Life to discuss the book’s legacy, DIY in the 21st century, and #RockCriticLaw. Then, Chris and Molly share some final thoughts on our first miniseries, pitch some movie ideas, share listener mail, and talk future programming. Thanks for listening everybody, it’s been a blast. The instagram music review zine thing I mention can be found at: https://www.instagram.com/__antiart__/ Thanks to Lil Tupperware for the outro music: https://soundcloud.com/user-491229571/american-woman-nmv-lil?ref=clipboard&p=i&c=1&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

AND introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, FINISHING today with Chapter Thirteen: Beat Happening! We’re talking Calvin Johnson, K Records, and exploding the teenage underground into passionate revolt against the corporate ogre with our guest Maria Sherman! Check out Maria’s book on Boy Bands here: https://www.blackdogandleventhal.com/titles/maria-sherman/larger-than-life/9780762468904/ SONGS Supreme Cool Beings - Our Advice To You Beat Happening - Look Around Beat Happening - Our Secret Beat Happening - Bad Seeds Beat Happening - Midnight a Go-Go Beat Happening - Indian Summer Beat Happening - In Between Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet - Having an Average Weekend Beat Happening - Hot Chocolate Boy Dub Narcotic Sound System - Banana Meltdown

AND introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Twelve: MUDHONEY! For the last leg of our trip, we turn to the Pacific northwest to cover Mudhoney, Sub Pop records, the origins of “Grunge”, a little subset of a subset of post-hardcore that probably won’t amount to much anyway. To do so we’re joined by Mark Yarm (not Marc Arm!), the author of “Everybody Loves Our Town: An Oral History of Grunge.” Check out Mark’s work at InputMag: https://www.inputmag.com/profile/mark-yarm-19450961 Including his work on this new piece on the king of Pokemon card collectors: https://www.inputmag.com/features/king-pokemon-cards-charizards-gary-haase-profile Songs: Mr. Epp and the Calculations - Mohawk Man The Thrown Ups - Eat My Dump The Thrown Ups - Bucking Retards Mudhoney - Touch Me I’m Sick Mudhoney - You Got It (Keep It Out of My Face) Mudhoney - Mudride Everett

AND introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Eleven: FUGAZI! Back in DC, Ian MacKaye is looking for something new out of hardcore. Enter Rites of Spring frontman Guy Picciotto, who along with Ian, Joe Lally and Brendan Canty form Fugazi, not only a post-hardcore powerhouse, but an ethical lodestar, and revered bastion of integrity. Josiah and Sam of the 155Pod join us to discuss. Go to https://155pod.com/ for all things 155pod! And GET YOUR FRQNCY1 TIX at https://frqncy.live/frqncy1 SONGS: Rites of Spring - For Want Of Fugazi - Waiting Room Fugazi - Margin Walker Fugazi - Repeater Fugazi - Merchandise Fugazi - Epic Problem

And introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Ten: Dinosaur Jr.! We’re joined by Time Crisis and Mountain Brews’ Jake Longstreth to take a look at Dinosaur Jr., the band that pushes volume, epic guitarmanship, and toxic interpersonal relationships to the absolute limit. GET TIX TO THE FRQNCY1 FEST HERE: https://frqncy.live/frqncy1 Check out Jake’s band Moutain Brews here: https://mountainbrews.bandcamp.com/ SONGS IN ORDER: Deep Wound - I Saw It Dinosaur Jr. - The Leper Dinosaur Jr. - Poledo Dinosaur Jr. - Sludgefest Dinosaur Jr. - The Lung Dinosaur Jr. - Freak Scene Dinosaur Jr. - I Ran Away Dinosaur Jr. - Crumble Dinosaur Jr. - Show Me The Way

And introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Nine: Big Black! We’re joined by our returning Albiniologist Bryn Nieboer to talk all things Big Black, from Cables to Kerosene, and hopefully figure out once and for all what Steve Albini’s deal is. GET TIX TO THE FRQNCY1 FEST HERE: https://frqncy.live/frqncy1 Check out Bryn’s band STAY INSIDE here: https://stayinside.bandcamp.com/album/viewing SONGS: YouTube user tiergrinder - Roland TR-606 Drumatrix Big Black - Dead Billy Naked Raygun - Rat Patrol Big Black - Cables Big Black - The Big Payback Big Black - Racer X Big Black - Kerosene Big Black - My Disco Big Black - Bad Penny

And introducing, WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Eight: Butthole Surfers! We’re joined by NPR World Cafe’s Raina Douris to take a look at the Texas-tinged acid-fried world of these genuine rock n roll maniacs, smash the fire cymbal, and commit a little Culturcide along the way. Check out World Cafe here: https://www.npr.org/sections/world-cafe/ And check out Blind Eye Sees All: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW0mXU2mkgo Songs Butthole Surfers - Butthole Surfer Butthole Surfers - The Shah Sleeps in Lee Harvey Oswalds Grave Butthole Surfers - Lady Sniff Butthole Surfers - Creep in the Cellar Butthole Surfers - American Woman Butthole Surfers - Gary Floyd/Sweet Loaf (Live, Atlanta, May 15 1987) Butthole Surfers - Sweet Loaf Butthole Surfers - The O-men Culturcide - Bruce Butthole Surfers - Jimi Butthole Surfers - John E. Smoke Butthole Surfers - Who

And introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Seven: Sonic Youth! We’re joined by Texas Monthly’s Paula Mejia to take a look at the original NYC cool kids of 80’s rock, as well as come up with some great ideas of our own. Check out Texas Monthly’s series on the singer Selena: https://www.texasmonthly.com/arts-entertainment/celebrating-selena/ SONGS Glenn Branca - Lesson #1 for Electric Guitar Sonic Youth - Burning Spear Sonic Youth - (She’s In A) Bad Mood Sonic Youth - Death Valley ‘69 Sonic Youth - Expressway to yr. Skull Sonic Youth - Schizophrenia Sonic Youth - Teen Age Riot

And introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Six: The Replacements! We’re joined by Felix Biederman to examine the self-sabotaging career of one of the greatest American bands-that-couldn’t. Songs: The Replacements - Something to Dü The Replacements - Kids Don’t Follow The Replacements - Willpower The Replacements - Take Me Down To The Hospital The Replacements - I Will Dare The Replacements - Androgynous The Replacements - Swinging Party The Replacements - Bastards of Young

And introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Five: Husker Du! We’re joined by culture critic Steven Hyden to set the Land Speed Record of podcasting and do the Dü. Check out Steven’s books here: https://www.amazon.com/Steven-Hyden/e/B01H0F6IDU%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share And check out his writing on Uproxx: https://uproxx.com/author/steven-hyden/ Songs in order: Hüsker Dü - Gilligan’s Island Hüsker Dü - New Day Risingl (Live 1987) Hüsker Dü - It’s Not Funny Anymore Hüsker Dü - Chartered Trips Hüsker Dü - Something I Learned Today Hüsker Dü - I Apologize Hüsker Dü - The Girl Who Lives on Heaven Hill Hüsker Dü - Books About UFOs Hüsker Dü - Flexible Flyer Hüsker Dü - The Baby Song Hüsker Dü - Crystal Hüsker Dü - Standing In The Rain

And introducing WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Four: Minor Threat! We’re joined by Street Fight Radio’s Bryan Quinby to talk hardcore, straightedge, punk houses, DIY and all things Minor Threat: Check out Street Fight Radio: https://www.streetfightradio.com/ And of course, the P.O.D.Kast: https://thepodkast.libsyn.com/ SONGS: Teen Idles - Get Up and Go Monkees - Stepping Stone Minor Threat - Straight Edge Minor Threat - Out of Step Minor Threat - Salad Days

And introducing, WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Three: Mission of Burma! We’re joined by author Rob Sheffield to talk Boston excellence, Zines, radio, Clown Night, and the Horrible Truth About Burma! Follow @robsheff And find all his work at Rolling Stone here: https://www.rollingstone.com/author/rob-sheffield/ Songs: Mission of Burma - Peking Spring Mission of Burma - That’s When I Reach For My Revolver Mission of Burma - That’s How I Escaped My Certain Fate Mission of Burma - Treme Two (Live, ‘83) Mission of Burma - 2wice

And introducing, WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene, continuing today with Chapter Two: The Minutemen! We’re joined by Max & Doug of the Chicago-based indie label Hausu Mountain to talk mersh, gigs, fliers, corndogs from Pedro and all things jamming econo. Follow @HausuMountain on twitter. Hausu Mountain on bandcamp: https://hausumountain.bandcamp.com/ Hausu Mountain website: https://hausumountain.com/ That Prolaps release Doug mentions is indeed sick, check it out: https://hausumountain.bandcamp.com/album/ultra-cycle-pt-1-vernal-birth Songs In Order: Minutemen - Sickles and Hammers Minutemen - Fascist Minutemen - Bob Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs Minutemen - The Anchor Minutemen - Jesus and Tequila Minutemen - Corona Minutemen - The Glory of Man Minutemen - King of the Hill Unknown Instructros - Out in the Cold Minutemen - History Lesson - Part II

AND introducing...our first ever miniseries! WELCOME TO WE POD ECONO: an Our Band Could Be Your Life miniseries! We are taking a journey through Michael Azerrad’s chronicle of the 1980’s American underground rock scene. And today we start that journey with the legendary...BLACK FLAG. We’re joined by artist/comedian/podcaster Branson Reese to explore Black Flag’s heavy history and the life of legendary intense guy Henry Rollins. Check out Branson’s book of comics, Hell Was Full: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Hell-Was-Full/Branson-Reese/Hell-Was-Full/9781620107430 And I implore you, listen to Branson’s amazing DnD podcast Rude Tales of Magic: https://www.rudetalesofmagic.com/ Songs in Order: Television - Little Johnny Jewel Black Flag - Nervous Breakdown Black Flag - Rise Above Black Flag - TV Party Black Flag - My War Black Flag - Three Nights

And introducing, on the ones and twos, it’s RICK RUBIN. One of the superstar producers of the last forty years, Rubin went from Long Island punk to hip-hop pioneer in the 80’s, founding Def Jam Records out of his dorm room with Russell Simmons. He’d go on to produce some of the top recording artists of his era, ranging from Beastie Boys to Neil Diamond, LL Kool J to Metallica, and co-head Columbia Records. And today we’re joined by producer Jesse Cannon to learn all about Rubin from the book “Rick Rubin in the Studio” by Jake Brown Check out Jesse’s YouTube channel and other work here: www.Musformation.com www.Jessecannon.com SONGS IN ORDER: T La Rock & Jazzy Jay - It’s Yours LL Cool J - I Need A Beat Beastie Boys - Rhymin & Stealin Public Enemy - Don’t Believe the Hype Slayer - Raining Blood Danzig - Mother Red Hot Chili Peppers - Suck My Kiss The Chicks - Lubbock of Leave It The Chicks - Gaslighter Lady Gaga - Dope

Max Collins of Eve 6 drops by to discuss mysterious cartoon memories, predatory music management, the Trolls franchise, rock ‘n roll for children, evil owls, and more all through Don Bluth’s 1992 animated film “ROCK-A-DOODLE”. We also talk about Eve 6, being a teenage superstar, and finding emotional catharsis through twitter, but this is a ROCK-A-DOODLE ep. The new EP is called “Grim Value” and it’s available wherever music is streamed/sold! Songs: Rock-a-Doodle - Sun Do Shine Rock-a-Doodle - Rock-a-Doodle Eve 6 - Inside Out Eve 6 - Amphetamines Eve 6 - Can We Combine